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PS: I now realize how rare it is that I have come across this knowledge, not all people are given such a gift. I would be a fool if I let go of this opportunity. I also realized that you just don’t read our words, you see right through us. I first came across your works after observing one of the Ekadashi days, it was such a blessed day. In light of this new realization I don’t feel my earlier apologies was authentic enough. So please forgive me Prabhu. A journey of thousand miles begins with a single step. Right now, I am just taking baby steps. It’s our culture to bow down before a learned being, I bow down and restart my journey.
Thank you for your compassionate advice. I will go through the process over and over until I arrive at truth. I will try to embody the six traits of success as given in the nectar of instruction. Hopefully one day we can have a meaningful discussion.
Thanks for all your explanations and advices. I will go through them again.
Please accept my apologies Prabhu. You have spent years in understanding science and philosophy. Studying all these subjects individually itself takes lifetimes for many of us. After going through all that you have gone back to Vedas and you are trying to show us the alternative. Yes, you are right we should show patience, dedication and commitment from our side for what you have gone through. Regarding my commitment issues, you might be right. These days I seem to be a little hurry-burry. Generally I am a type of person who doesn’t reach out for anybody’s help. I don’t know this time I made an exception to reach out to you. After years of going through without a mentor or guru may be I got a little overexcited. Yes, I kind of pushed my luck here. Sorry.
Regarding asking questions, until now it was my belief that asking questions and getting answers from a qualified teacher was a good way of arriving at truth. I certainly don’t expect you to answer all our questions all the time. Not a viable option nor worth your time in this age.
This philosophy definitely deserves determination and commitment. Thank you for pointing it out that I should work on these. It’s very a valuable lesson. Honestly I wasn’t expecting to understand all of these at once, I made a promise to myself that I will be studying this for the forseeable future. My intention was not to bother you with any more questions outside this post. I was studying your works for the last 1 year, definitely changed a lot of my long held beliefs but I couldn’t see the bigger perspective you were pointing out. This is definitely a miniscule amount of time and I might have reached out to you prematurely. I was just hoping that through asking questions I would know my afflictions and would serve as an approach to study your works.
Extremely sorry for the doodle, it was kind of childish. I couldn’t even express what I had in my mind with that. I definitely need to work on patience and dedication but enthusiasm is going to be there for the rest of my life. Self purification and the quest for knowing the truth is the most noblest path for me and I have no other distractions.
Yes, to buy a ticket outside this world definitely takes a lot of work. I am willing to put the work because I see the truth in it. Well, I am definitely not discouraged and while others give up I have always pursued things to the end.
Thank you Prabhu for your works and this extended help. You are really valuable to lot of us. Next time when I reach out to you I will be a little more matured.
Thank you very much Prabhu. This was exactly what I was looking for. You have put it neatly and succinctly. Just a few follow up question. If I do not seek this clarity, I will be lost in my deluded understanding. I now understand the value of having a guru/teacher in spiritual life.
In the above link, you can find a doodle I drew it for my own understanding. Please refer it once.
In the diagram,
space (a) means world before my senses associate with it.
space (b) means my 3d first person experience view.
Now my questions,
1. How and where does the apple, bulb in space(a) exist?
2. Where does the 3d first person experience view exist? If I am correct it’s not the brain, since brain only creates a representation of the external world and the senses interact with this representation. Where can one find the senses? Is it material? Can it be found in the brain? Or is it more abstract and lies in a different space altogether?
3. How does the real apple and the image of the apple in my senses corelate? By this I mean how the apple and the sense of apple is perfectly mapped or the two spaces overlap each other?
I might not have framed the questions perfectly, but if you do understand can you put me out of my quandary? Thank you.
Thank you Prabhu. Actually I am aware of the biases and corporate media meddling in the scientific community, getting the narrative they want. Actually I am quite happy after knowing there is an alternative explanation to these celestial observations. I am now correcting my views.
Honestly I was a non devotee who became a devotee through the association of your works. I am able to see the change within myself and that’s sufficient enough for me to be fully committed to the study of your works. Yes, the devotee community should promote it more than anyone else but these ideas are a big change to most people. Unless there is a deeper calling they won’t put the necessary dedication and energy the change requires. Some of us have to make the effort to understand your works and take it forward in our own ways. I definitely have the willing, ability to some extent, deserving is left to the grace of Lord.
Please forgive me if I am persistent Prabhu but if you could just answer the series of questions I posed in the beginning of the discussion, it would serve as a personal framework to base my study. I am not looking for a detailed explanation(which you have already expanded in your books) as such, even a single sentence would suffice. Yes, I know you don’t like people who instead of putting the necessary work want their questions answered by others. My intention here is to know why you would see it that way and not me. Once I know the way you are looking (through your answers of questions), I will make every effort to correct my views through thorough studying and lift myself from there. I might not understand everything outright but overtime I will. It might serve as a guide to other interested readers who are on par with my current level of understanding. Enthusiasm, dedication and commitment is all that I can offer.
Please ignore this request if you don’t feel that’s the right way. You have answered earlier, how through association of the holy name everything can be understood. I am already seeing most of my questions being answered by seeing how through association properties are manifested and unmanifested.
Thank you Prabhu. Actually I did read the deleted part of your reply.
We are really fortunate to come across your works, before I was really lost in atheism, void-ism and impersonalism thereby my life was one of meaninglessness and purposelessness. Just now I am beginning to see new rays of love blossoming in my heart. I am really amazed by the depth of knowledge you know across different subjects. Having studied all these and going back to Vedas is no small feat. I am just filled with awe and respect.
Ever since we were kids, we were taught how stars are born, live and die off and our sun is one such star. That sun never dies is a very big shift in our thinking. I now no longer see sun as one random star but as a demi-god representing Vishnu himself distributing the six qualities to all the living entities.
Just one clarity though, in modern science there are models explaining how some stars would become neutron stars, red giants and sometimes collapse on themselves and become black holes. What is the meaning of these black holes and other fate of stars? Our sun is predicted to become one such red giant in 7 or 8 billion years. Are these claims backed by observational evidence or just speculations?
Thank you Prabhu. Now I see how material coverings hinder seeing God in everything. I will now chant , hear the mantra (happily of course) and associate with the holy name. I will patiently try to understand Sankhya. It really is a big shift.
Thank you Prabhu for your pointers. I will read Godel’s mistake for further details. I respect your stance on giving people guidance.
Thank you for creating this forum in addition to your books and blog. This forum has become a wonderful tool to reach out to you.
Thank you, this was both an interesting and insightful discussion.
I have an unrelated question and also personal in nature, if you think the question is inappropriate for the forum please feel to ignore.
I was browsing the academy tab of Shabda site. My interest was drawn towards logical sciences and introduction to computing theory. I am a student pursuing a computer science degree. When can one expect the academy to be available?
Until then can I get a few pointers on where computer science stands with respect to the semantic science and a few suggestions as to what is worth studying in computer science now with the future in mind. A few tips and pointers can be very beneficial to me.
Thanks for the clarification Prabhu,
Now I remember the history lessons of Vikings where they worshipped demi gods and even vedic rituals appeasing Indra and other demigods. So just like the association of Agni creates hunger, is it correct to say that thirst, lust is created by association with other demi-gods? I will delve into Cosmic Theogony for more details.
Now by worshipping these demi-gods many of the world problems can be solved, isn’t it? I vaguely remember you mentioning in one of your posts that crops, rain etc can be obtained by worshipping these demi-gods.
Thank you Prabhu, your explanation gave the clarity that I was seeking.
Also on a related subject I remember reading one of your articles wherein you have mentioned that the demi god Agni associates with us for digestion. I can’t remember the exact context in which you wrote. My question is are we making an offering to the demi god Agni by eating food? Also who are demi gods in general? How many are there? Your article ‘Nature is governed by persons and not laws’ answers some of these questions. What more could you say on this topic??
Oh the soul can be all three, that’s a new revelation to me. I have read zen buddhism stories wherein self is said to be illusion. The doctrine of Bhedabhed is actually new to me. I haven’t fully digested what you wrote above. I need to do more research and meditation on the same. Thanks for all the pointers.
Thanks, wonderfully explained. From this understanding, I hope I can follow your ideas in ‘quantum meaning’. I do remember encountering the same ideas in many of your articles but now through this discussion has helped in its consolidation.
Ever since I had encountered the so called ‘hard problem of consciousness’, I had given up giving importance to modern western science as a method of arriving at knowledge. I kept thinking on how a qualitative science should emerge to solve the many contradictions in science. Little did I know that Sankhya philosophy which I had encountered in Bhagavad Gita dealt on these issues. Now your works are a bridge to that treasure trove of knowledge and to God. Thank you.
Just one clarification before I end this discussion. Is a Soul none of the triad of observer, observed and the observing? Are the observer, observed, observing nothing other than the three modes of nature sattva, tamas and rajas. So if a person responds that he is the ‘knower/enjoyer/Ananda’ to the question ‘Who am I?’, does that mean he is attached or identified to the mode of Sattva?
Thank you Ashish this helped in clearing the woo of quantum entanglement. This understanding was what I was looking for. I will go through your articles on semantic space and distance once again. Very nicely written.
Similarly I was looking for semantic explanation of other quantum topics like the collapse of wave function, wave particle duality, uncertainty principle, exclusion principle. Like I mentioned earlier, I have spent some time on these topics, getting a rudimentary understanding of them through popular science books and videos. I would like to see them in semantic view and this view seems to be both consistent and complete. I will definitely go through your books again. For now an explanation like you wrote above would suffice my curiosity.
If I am stretching your limits, please feel free to abandon this discussion. Once again goes without saying I am grateful for your ruminations on Vedic philosophy.
Thanks for the clarity Ashish.
I totally agree on how science in its atheistic and impersonalist approach has complicated everything and you are just undoing them in your books. I myself was a subject of these atheistic and impersonalist ideas. I wish to undo those ideas within myself and you have been of great help in that endeavor. Thank you.
Based on your explanation, is it right to say that a subatomic particle like electron is not a thing but can be viewed as a symbol with meaning. Just like a letter which gets meaning after completion of the word in which it is used. An electron becomes meaningful in context to its atom and atom in context to its molecules, element and so on. Is this understanding flawed or correct?
In your book sankhya and science from the chapter on vedic theory of matter there is an alternate explantation on origin of elements. This seems to be based on conscious experience. However just like you mentioned people will have a hard time understanding what ether is and I did. I have indeed read your explanation on the same in this forum under a different topic. If it’s not a big ask do you any more everyday examples left to explain to us? I know I was not really the target audience but I feel this particular chapter on vedic theory of matter is very important for my further studies on sankhya philosophy. Any clarity on the same I will accept with utmost gratitude. I urge fellow readers to do the same.
I have read and reread your articles and books that are comprehensible to me, I wish to improve semantic thinking even more. What would you suggest?