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Hare Krishna Prabhu,
You have said that vibration of matter is used to encode information and atoms are like words. Also different frequency of vibration are used to encode different information and thus gives different sense perception. I want to know the philosophical understanding of vibration.
- Why matter uses vibration to encode information? does it anything to do with the nature of soul?
- What is actually vibrating? Since you have compared soul to be a screen on which the projector (maya) projects, it appears that soul is vibrating.
Yes, the soul is constantly vibrating, but not in the sense that physics models it.
The soul has three aspects called sat, chit, and ānanda. Each of these aspects has many parts. But these three aspects and their parts are not in a fixed structure. Rather, sat, chit, and ānanda dominate one after another. For example, sometimes you do something because you desire to achieve a goal, and then ānanda dominates. Then, you do something against your desire, as it is forced by circumstances, and then sat dominates. Then, you do something that may be against your goal and the neeed of the circumstance because that is what you are capable of; then, the chit dominates. Similarly, the parts of sat, chit, and ānanda also dominate alternately.
To put this in a concrete example, we can take our speech. When we go to a shop and want to buy something, then we say what we want to get. In this case, our desire or ānanda is dominant. Then, sometimes, someone says something bad to you, and you respond to that in a harsh way, because it is forced by circumstances; here, sat dominates. Then, someone can ask you a question in an interview, and you don’t know the answer, so you say what you know. Then, chit dominates.
This changing dominant-subordinate structure of the three aspects of the soul, and their various parts constitute a vibration. What is a vibration? Like in a string, something goes up and down, and we call that a “vibration”. In the same way, the sat, chit, and ānanda go up and down and become more dominant than others alternately, and we can also call that type of change a “vibration”.
Everything in nature comprises the modes called sattva, rajas, and tamas, which go up and down. You feel fresh in the morning, hungry in the afternoon, and tired at night. This is because the modes go up and down. While everything vibrates in this way, there are still relative preponderant states such that either sattva, rajas, or tamas will be largely predominant. That doesn’t mean that a person is always in tamas to the same extent. Sometimes, he may also be in rajas for a short while, and in sattva for an even shorter while. If you happen to catch them at that time, then you can talk to them about higher subjects. They might even agree at that moment with you. However, they will eventually go back to tamas and even if they agreed with some points in the past, they will not do anything about it.
Therefore, we can say that one of the three modes is mostly predominant, and yet, for a short while, the other modes can also become dominant. That short-term change is called a vibration, and the long-term stability is their preponderant nature. Hence, you can say that a person has a stable nature, and you can say that a person’s nature changes slightly from moment to moment. That change is a vibration, which means that even if something is up for the moment, it will be down later on.
Due to the changes in the dominant-subordinate states of the three modes, we can say that everything in nature is vibrating. However, it is not that there is a string or water “medium” that is vibrating. Rather, there are three modes that are going up and down to create a vibration. If we understand that mode vibration, then we can explain the vibration of strings and water waves using the same methodology. So, mode change is not string vibration, but string vibration is mode change.
Everything is moving forward due to vibration. Every day, we get up in the morning and go through our day-to-day activities. That involves a vibration in us, or the modes going up and down, and by that, our day moves forward.
Therefore, scientists can also say that a photon is vibrating and due to that vibration it is moving forward. Scientists claim that vibration has some “energy”, but they don’t know that these modes can stop vibrating, and then the energy will be destroyed. They can also vibrate faster, and then, energy would be created. That faster or slower vibration of the modes will violate the “conservation of energy”.
When the universe is annihilated, then all the modes settle into a primordial state in which no mode is more dominant than others. At that time, all the “energy” appears to be destroyed. Then, during the creation of the universe, these modes start vibrating again, and it appears that infinite energy has been created. But in modern science, we cannot accept the creation and destruction of energy, so scientists say that energy must be “concentrated” into a small region, from which the universe springs. That “concentrated” energy source is called the Big Bang singularity. Nobody knows how so much energy can be concentrated, and what happens in that state. So, they talk about black holes, where this energy is supposedly concentrated, and they think that by studying these black holes they are studying the origin of the universe.
However, the black hole is a different thing; it appears dark because it is not communicating with us, so we cannot see it. That communication involves the emission of information, which is some combination of three modes. The absence of communication has little to do with the origin of the universe. Everything happening in modern cosmology is directionally flawed: you can call it “not even wrong”.
The correct understanding is the Prakriti is three modes, and these modes can divide and vibrate. Or, they can coalesce and stop vibrating. When they coalesce and stop vibrating, then energy is destroyed, although Prakriti is eternal. Then, when they divide and start vibrating, then energy is created, although Prakriti is eternal. Prakriti is the source and Prakriti is the sink. Whatever modern science calls “energy” is not conserved, and what is not conserved is not a real property in science. But scientists have assumed that energy is conserved, so they are struggling to explain the origin and dissolution of the universe. This is a false struggle!
Time is the cause of the subdivision of modes, and the rate of their vibration. And Time is not uniform. Sometimes, it goes fast, and sometimes it goes slow. That is because Time is also a consciousness, which is called Lord Shiva in Vedic texts, and that consciousness comprises three aspects called sat, chit, and ānanda and they are not in a fixed structure. As these three aspects go up and down, the universe has its “morning”, “afternoon”, and “night”. This is just like the up and down movement of sattva, rajas, and tamas creates “morning”, “afternoon”, and “night” for us.
The modes of Prakriti are going up and down, because Time is changing, which is a change in Lord Shiva’s consciousness, which then causes our day and night.
I understand that in case of a sense perception (sound or color), what we observe as vibration is due to the alternative up and down movement of parts of the three modes. Time is making things to move forward by changing the modes every moment, like the TV frame changes every moment, and that’s what we perceive as vibration.
But why the rate of vibration (frequency) is different for different colors? Shouldn’t be the same for all colors? Does time acts at different rate for different modes? Or does the rate of vibration gives rise to a particular value of color (eg. red) as modern science believes? I believe that the sensation of redness arises due a particular mode and its part combination and not due to the rate of mode change. Please explain this Prabhu.
But why the rate of vibration (frequency) is different for different colors? Shouldn’t be the same for all colors?
A photon doesn’t have a fixed color. This is well-known in physics where they have measured the speed of light, and they always find minor variations. When the speed goes slightly higher, then they call it blue shift and when the speed goes slightly lower they call it red shift. Varying speed of light results in change in the color of the photon. But they cannot account for these minor variations, so they assume that the speed of light is fixed, and then they claim that the frequency of photon is fixed. And then they say that the observed variations in speed of light must be an aberration. But it is not an aberration. There are very minor variations in speed, which are variations in color.
So, when physics describes a photon as electromagnetic wave, they are trying to explain how there is a constant color, but there are different colors. When we talk about mode vibration we are saying that there is an average color, but there are minor variations in speed/color. That minor variation in color is modes going up and down. Red shift is when rajas goes up and blue shift is when tamas goes up. But since there is a particular mixture of rajas, tamas, and sattva, therefore, it is not arbitrary color. There is an “average color” but it changes rapidly which appears as varying speed of light. Since those variations are small, they are disregarded by physics as instrument errors.
Does time acts at different rate for different modes?
Yes it does. Time also has a quality. Some time is more tamas, some is more rajas, and some is more sattva. When the time quality changes, then the modes go dominant and subordinate. Accordingly, the effect of time is more on some things and less on other things. It is due to qualitative time.
Or does the rate of vibration gives rise to a particular value of color (eg. red) as modern science believes?
Like I explained above, there is no electromagnetive wave. A mixture of sattva, rajas, and tamas creates a particular color. That is, however, not a vibration. The vibration is that within this mixture, there are minor variations due to the up and down state changes of modes. That is mode vibration. Therefore, we can say two seemingly contradictory things: (a) there is no electromagnetic wave, and (b) yet, there is a vibration. Color is not due to a vibration, but changing color is a vibration.
I believe that the sensation of redness arises due a particular mode and its part combination and not due to the rate of mode change. Please explain this Prabhu.
Yes, pure red is rajas. But even when you perceive something as pure red, it is not always like that. It is changing color, but the changes are so small that we cannot perceive by our eyesight. If our senses are advanced, then we can look at something, and by seeing the mode changes, we can know the nature of the thing much better. For example, you can see that even a big fat man is weak, or a small light man is powerful. Most people cannot see that, but by sense advancement we can see.
Thank you Prabhu. Now it is even more clearer. I understood that a particular sensation (eg sound, color etc) is not due to vibration.
But modern science strongly believes that sensation, sound for example, is produced due to vibration of some physical medium. Because when I hit a drum, it vibrates and I hear a sound. So scientist assume vibration is cause and sound is the effect. But based on your explanation it should be the other way around. I guess that the action of hitting the drum is manifesting a mode, which we hear as sound and due to Time the mode vibrates. Am I correct? The problem becomes more confusing when I think of how a magnetic disk, which stores information of vibration, reproduces the sound. Can you please explain this?
Because when I hit a drum, it vibrates and I hear a sound. So scientist assume vibration is cause and sound is the effect.
I already explained this above. String vibration is also mode change, but mode change is not string vibration. Whatever you call a drum or string is also modes. They are organized in a hierarchy. The higher-level mode is the cause of macroscopic phenomena and the lower-level mode is the cause of microscopic phenomena. So, when a drum or string vibrates, it is a macroscopic phenomenon, and it is also the vibration of modes. Then when atoms vibrate, that is a microscopic phenomenon.
But based on your explanation it should be the other way around. I guess that the action of hitting the drum is manifesting a mode, which we hear as sound and due to Time the mode vibrates.
The mode is not manifest. It is dominant and subordinate. The modes are going up and down due to time. By the different patterns of going up and down, a new phenomenon is manifest. That phenomenon is an effect in your senses and mind–e.g., a sound–which is also mode vibration. Your senses and mind can vibrate, so there is a potential or possibility. And by the association of the world, they start vibrating. But it is not a transfer of energy. It is association. That I have explained in another answer where Sun makes our body warm but the Sun doesn’t lose its energy. So our body being warm is potential in our body, and by association with the Sun we activate that potential. That activation is called the manifestation of phenomenon, not the manifestation of modes.
The term “mode” is used in different ways in modern science and Vedic texts. In modern science, there is a term called “normal mode” which is one of the vibrational states of the drum or string. But in Vedic texts, even the drum is a collection of “modes”. So, there is no such thing as the vibration of the drum. It is always the vibration of the modes. Whatever we call the “drum” is a higher-level mode. The term is not used in the same way in both cases, so we cannot go back and forth. A mode in science means a state of vibration, and in Vedic texts, it means the thing that is going up and down.
What we call the “energy of the drum” is not energy in the sense that it is not conserved. It can be created or destroyed. It is never transferred from one place to another. However, it can happen that when it is created in one place, then it is destroyed in another place. Due to that correlation, we might think that energy is being transferred. For example, a person can get tired due to playing drums, so he might say that his energy was “transferred” to the drum, but it is not transferred. It has simply disappeared in the body and it has appeared in another place by association. By certain types of personal cultivation, you can keep playing drums and not get tired. That is called “stamina”. If energy is always transferred in the same way, then there would be no meaning to stamina.
There are many expert drummers who have mastered this art of drumming and they go on drumming for hours and don’t feel tired. Their body gets into this rhythm or vibration and it doesn’t consume energy. For others, who don’t know how to put their body in this rhythm, they have to make a lot of effort and they get tired very quickly. That is stamina vs. absence of stamina.
You are getting all mixed up because you are trying to understand mode vibration, but your mind is too conditioned to physical thinking. So, your mind is going back and forth. The basic state is physical thinking, and for a short moment there is mode thinking and then it goes back to physical thinking. This is also due to mode vibration. When you think in a physical way, then your mind is in one mode where tamas is dominant. And when you think in the Vedic way then your mind is in another mode which is sattva. You go back and forth in two ways of thinking, then your mind is going from one mode to another. Don’t do that too much, because you can also go mad.
The mind has to be gradually changed from one state to another. Those who don’t follow this gradual process often go mad, and it is well-known that many people perform a mystical yoga activity and they go mad, because they are trying to jump from one state to another very fast, and the body and mind are left in a confused state because they are constantly toggling between two or more states.
It takes a very long time to understand and appreciate these things, and the reason is that the mind has to be changed from dominant tamas to dominant rajas to dominant sattva gradually. The mind has to naturally come to the dominant sattva state for things to become very clear. If the mind is not changed in this way, then you try to push a subordinated mode into a dominant mode, and it will go subordinate again very quickly. For a brief period, you will see the world in a new way. But because it goes subordinate again, that alternative way of thinking or vision will not be persistent.
I see this in people all the time; they have short-lived realizations, and then they back to their mundane lives. That is a clear sign that they are dominantly in tamas or rajas, and for a short while they get a realization and feel that I should something in spiritual life, but then it disappears. If that realization comes for 1 minute per day, and the rest of the time it is not there, then it means that the person is almost completely in tamas. It is a long journey to make that 1 minute 24 hours.
The first thing you have to do is to stop thinking about strings and drums. At most, you can think about your behavior and personality in terms of three modes, and try to improve yourself. When you understand the flaws in yourself, then you can sometimes focus on other people, but that is a very limited thing. Then, if you can understand other people, then you can sometimes focus on inanimate things like drums and strings, but that is also a very limited thing. Basically, all this philosophy is there to understand yourself first, and then if you do understand, then other things are easy.
Most people don’t like to analyze or see their faults. It makes them feel guilty and ashamed. They try to apply it to the world, which is called “curiosity” about things. And for one or two moments, that curiosity is satisfied. But it doesn’t stay because the instrument of thinking is contaminated, and people don’t want to use knowledge to improve themselves due to guilt and shame. That guilt and shame are hurdles in spiritual life. We have to apply knowledge to understand ourselves, and by that, we will improve gradually, then we can see the external world also in a different way.
I agree with all the points you said Prabhu. There are some mistakes in my language of communication. I will be more precise hereafter. In the above first quote, my intention was to say that view of reality is wrong. In the second quote, by “manifesting a mode” i meant “manifesting a particular mode and part combination”. I am aware that everything is a concept or quality including the drum and they all parts of the three primary concepts or quality called three modes of nature.
My question how the magnetic disk reproduces the sound. Now i got the answer: by associating with a particular mode the diaphragm attains that mode and that mode change is recorded as change of amplitude in the magnetic disk. When the diaphragm is made to be in the same amplitude, we actually making it to be in a particular mode, so the same sound is reproduced. (I am fearing whether i have communicated properly or not). Is this correct Prabhu?
I am no longer able to figure out what you are talking about. I have given you the basic principles and you can apply them to the best of your ability. Also, I’m not interested in infinite applications of the three modes of nature to describe to you what is going in a TV, or music player, or computer disk or drums and strings. If you like, you can do that on your own, but please don’t drag me into these things. I’m trying to pull you up into understanding the self and you are dragging me down into understanding the magnetic disk. I don’t think I want to spend time on that, so I will leave that up to you.
My intention was not to understand what is going on in TV, computer, strings and drums. My only intention is to understand what is sound. If sound is not due to vibration, then how does information of vibration in a magnetic disk can produce sound. I don’t know what sound is. Without knowing this fundamental concept of sound how can anyone proceed further in other topics of sankhya. I think that is the process of analytical study, going from matter to soul. Yes, i understand that you are asking me to increase sattva component gradually to understand all this and be patient and i will follow that.
My only intention is to understand what is sound. If sound is not due to vibration, then how does information of vibration in a magnetic disk can produce sound.
Sound is vibration, but it is not the vibration of a string, a medium, or a thing. It is the oscillations of modes of nature. Unless you stop thinking about the world as things, you cannot understand this. I’m trying to explain this in so many ways, but you are unable to give up your substance thinking.
I don’t know what sound is.
That’s not true. You are unable to accept that sound is the up and down movement of modes. You want to keep thinking that sound means the vibration of a string. So, no matter how many times I say that string vibration is mode vibration, but mode vibration is not string vibration, you cannot accept it. You want to ask the same question in many ways, because of your inability to accept.
Without knowing this fundamental concept of sound how can anyone proceed further in other topics of sankhya.
By understanding how your day and night is repeating vibration. The periodic change in your desires is repeating vibration. By seeing how the change in people’s mood is repeating vibration. By seeing how civilization goes up and down, and that is vibration. By seeing how fashion comes into vogue and then goes out of vogue and that is vibration. How the universe is created and destroyed, which is vibration. You have millions of ways to understand vibration, but you are restricting yourself to string vibration. And you want to think of a string as an object, rather than how it is constructed from modes. And even the vibration of a string is modes going up and down, so it is a sound.
I think that is the process of analytical study, going from matter to soul.
No, it never goes from matter to soul. It always goes from soul to matter. The first thing is mahattattva, then ahamkara, then buddhi, then manas, then indriya, then tanmatra, and then bhuta. Where have you gotten the idea that Sankhya goes from matter to soul? You read Srimad Bhagavatam, and you can clearly see how it goes from top to bottom, rather than bottom to top. The problem is that you may not be comfortable with this top-down system, and you want to construct a bottom-up system. But that is impossible. Scientists have tried to construct bottoms-up models of reality and they have never succeeded. And you are now trying the same thing with Sankhya. You are not alone in this. I have seen so many people who just want to study the five gross elements called Earth, Water, Fire, Air, and Ether, and disregard everything else. They have been talking for centuries, with nothing to show for themselves. You cannot understand gross matter without understanding the soul.
Yes, i understand that you are asking me to increase sattva component gradually to understand all this and be patient and i will follow that
We have to learn to see the world in a new way. What is that new way? We see it in terms of qualities. Color is a quality, and I have explained how the color changes slightly and very rapidly, which is why the speed of light is always measured with slight variation. Then, personality is a quality; understand the persons in terms of their qualities. Then food has different qualities. Society has different qualities. And planets have different qualities. And these qualities are always going up and down, so there is the evolution of society, planet, fashion, food habits, even changes in the color of a photon.
Sattva means broad-minded. Tamas means narrow-minded. Being broad-minded means I want to understand everything in the same way. Narrow-minded means photon theory is different from the theory of personality, theory of society, theory of a planet, or theory of the universe.
I’m not saying that magnetic disk is outside the three modes, but if you keep thinking about the magnetic disk, then contrast it to mode vibration, then how can you develop a new way of thinking? You knew about people, society, food, clothing, etc. before you knew about the magnetic disks. That means ordinary thinking comes naturally to everyone. And that ordinary thinking is quality thinking. Everyone is saying that food is spicy or sweet, a person is disturbed or calm, color is red or blue. And we are disregarding this pervasive thinking that existed before modern technology and using technology as the cornerstone for understanding everything. Why? That is material conditioning. Stop giving it importance. Give importance to other things in your life that are existing all around you all the time in every place. That is a broad-minded person. By developing that type of thinking, we can understand magnetic disks in a new way. That means atoms are also qualities.
What you call “up” and “down” states of bits, are also qualities. But we cannot understand that unless we ask ourselves: Why is your mood up? Why is your mood down? Why is your health up and why is your health down? Why do you say that my life is going up? Why do you say that life going down? Mood up means sattva, and mood down means tamas. So, when sattva goes up, then mood goes up. When sattva goes up, then health goes up, life goes up, and the mind goes up. When tamas goes up, then life goes down, health goes down, and the mind goes down. This is a commonsense language used by everyone, isn’t it? In the same way, what you call up-bit or down-bit is due to modes going up and down. Up-bit means sattva, and down-bit means tamas.
If you accept mode thinking, then you can also derive up and down of bits, because you have an understanding of mood up and down, or health up and down. But if you ignore that, and focus on a bit up and down, then what can I do? Your mind is focusing on a bit up and down, it is forgetting about mood and health up and down. You think health up and down, life up and down, mind up and down is not science, and bit up and down is real science. This is the problem of our thinking. We cannot understand things because we are so conditioned to materialism that we disregard mood, life, and health up or down as scientific words, and we say that bit up and down is the real science.
When we understand ordinary up and down, then we can understand the ball going up and down in a new way. Then we can understand bits going up and down in a new way. But we have to understand mood up and down, life up and down, mind up and down first. If we don’t do that, and simply think about the ball up and down, then we cannot understand. That is the issue here.
When you throw a ball up, then Sankhya will say that sattva is manifest. One of the symptoms of sattva is lightness. So, when sattva is manifest, then things become lighter. You read stories about Srila Prabhupada, and you will know that his body was extremely light. Once, Srila Prabhupada stepped on a devotee’s hands, and he felt like it was flowers. Then, another devotee stepped on his hands and felt like it was crushing his hands. This is the difference. The pure devotee’s body is light and the non-devotee body is heavy. This is because sattva is dominant in the devotee.
When sattva goes up, means the object becomes lighter. Then, when tamas goes up, then the object becomes heavier. So, going up means sattva, and going down means tamas. Lightness is one atom and heaviness is another atom. One atom becomes dominant, it goes up, and the other atom becomes subordinate and comes down. So, the up and down of the ball is based on the same principle as mind going up, health going up, mood going up, and life going up. That is because up and down have a different meaning in Sankhya. Up means sattva and down means tamas.
The benefit of this way of talking is that we can say that mood goes up or down, the mind goes up and down, life goes up and down, and health goes up and down is also scientific language. In this way, we are expanding the scientific language. Everything you say in ordinary language is becoming scientific terminology. Why? Because it is true. All things that are true are scientific now.
But if you say that ball going up is velocity, then it means that life going up or down, mind going up or down, health going up and down, or mood going up and down is not scientific language. So, most of the things that most people are talking about most of the time are false and unscientific. We are disagreeing with that idea. We are saying: Everything is scientific. But we cannot understand these things unless we understand that lightness and heaviness are atoms of qualities. Lightness means sattva and heaviness means tamas. And these atoms are going up and down, and that movement creates an effect of the ball moving up and down. So, the ball moving up and down is also atomic physics and not classical physics. Everything is thereby atomic physics and there is no classical physics. Even macroscopic phenomena are due to the atoms of qualities going up and down.
By the mind, we can change this up-down state of atoms. So, you can use your mind to move sattva up, and things will become light, and the ball will stay up. That will be called magic and miracle, but it is based on the ability to change the modes and make them go up and down. You can have cities hanging in the air. These are mentioned in Vedic scriptures, but nobody believes these things.
When you lift something heavy with your hands, and you feel a lot of pressure, then it means that the hand is dominant in tamas. The thing is heavy and the hand is heavy. So, one tamas is trying to subordinate another tamas, and that is called lifting things. That is not the only way to lift. You can lift by the mind if you know how to manifest sattva in something. Pure devotees of the Lord just look at you, and you suddenly feel light and floating in the air. They can manifest lightness in you.
There is so much science, but we need some advanced thinkers to understand these things. And we cannot understand it unless we completely give up materialistic thinking. To give up that materialistic thinking, we have to develop a spiritual understanding first. The soul comes first.
Now I am getting little more clarity. All the confusion is due to my physical thinking – objects existing outside the qualities of soul or separate from the soul. Yes its a easy concept to understand but difficult to accept. I should hereafter change my viewing of nature from physical to qualitative.
Thus all modern scientific theories are wrong. Because all properties arising from physical thinking like mass, charge, electromagnetic filed, gravity, particles like proton, electron etc are not real. Only from you I am coming to know they are just theoretical assumptions and they don’t exist. Current education system teaches as if electrons and protons were real particles seen through some microscope. So everyone thinks that there are only electrons and protons and no soul. But the reality is opposite. I am wondering what they are doing with particle accelerator at CERN, if all the so called particles don’t exist! what a waste of time! Even every so called spiritualist out there strongly believes in the existence of higgs boson and it shows that they are not really spiritualist rather a materialist.
I am very slow in grasping new concepts and especially the concepts you are teaching is radically new, So definitely i need little more time to gradually improve my understanding of all things you said above. Please dont angry if I am dull headed.
Thank you so much Prabhu for once again kindly explaining all these.
Yes, there is a big difference between Brahmana science and Sudra science. Sudras operate with hammers and tongs, screwdriver and saw, pushing and pulling. Not too long ago, Sudras were pulling rickshaws and pushing carts on streets in India. Newton transformed that cart pusher’s mentality into physics by saying that there are particles moving due to force. And modern physicists are trying to extend that mentality into different areas, even though it is not working. They can wear suits and ties and use complicated equations and formulae, but the mentality is that of a cart pusher.
We cannot understand reality by that cart pusher mentality, because this mentality cannot be applied to everything. God controls the world by His will, not by pushing a cart like a laborer. So, we have to advance our thinking and stop thinking about carts and rickshaws. We have to think about other topics like how ideas are gained by intuition, how the soul moves by its will. Then, we get Brahmana-science. Using that Brahmana science we can also explain cart pushing. But if we keep ourselves restricted to cart pushing mentality then we cannot understand anything.
In this age, there are practically no Brahmanas. Even those who might be worshipping the Lord in a temple have Sudra type of thinking. They are just more clean in the body than the Sudras. But their minds are just as conditioned to Sudra thinking. So, they cannot understand Vedic philosophy or explain it to anyone. But they are on the right path. By worshipping the Lord, we will slowly remove all the contaminations in our minds. Then we can understand the Brahmana science.
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