October 30, 2018 at 3:12 pm #6502Ciprian BeguParticipant
What is the significance of the planetary systems being 14? Why aren’t they more or less?November 9, 2018 at 4:40 am #6581Ashish DalelaKeymaster
To understand the structure of the universe, we have to grasp the structure of our experiences. Experience is divided into seven categories which are called bhuta or objects, tanmatra or properties, indriya or senses, manas or mind, buddhi or intellect, ahamkara or ego, and mahattattva or morality. When you see a chair, for example, there is an object or bhuta, which is understood in terms of tanmatra or properties such as color, shape, size, etc. which are then perceived by indriya or the senses such as sight and touch. Then the manas or mind attributes a concept such as ‘chair’, the buddhi or intellect judges this attribution to be true based on whether it will work as a chair (e.g. that it will not break into pieces if someone sat on the chair), the ahamkara or ego perceives a purpose in the world (e.g. this chair was designed for sitting), and the mahattattva or moral sense compares this chair to an ideal chair.
This is the structure of the individual experience, but at the cosmic level, these are split into seven roles. The basic idea is that what is “inside” our consciousness is externalized as an organizational structure. Alternately we can also say that the entire universe is the experience of a cosmic observer and therefore “inside” the consciousness of that observer. For others who are inside this universe, the other observers appear to be outside. So we try to understand this world in terms of an organizational structure outside our consciousness. And the same thing can be understood as a conscious experience inside the consciousness of the cosmic observer.
The fourteen planetary systems are divided into upper and lower halves with 7 parts each. The upper part represents the top-down hierarchy and the lower part represents the bottom-up hierarchy. In the top-down organization, the more abstract reality is given priority. That is, it is understood that morality comes before intentions, which come before judgments, which come before ideas, which are prior to sensations. In the bottom-up organization, the gross body is given priority, and sensations, ideas, judgments, intentions, and morals are derived from them. The upper half belongs to the demigods and the lower half belongs to the demons. The term ‘demon’ conjures up images of evil. But there is a technical definition of ‘demon’ here. A demon is one who thinks that morality is based on the needs of the body, rather than the basis on which the body is governed. A demon is a person who considers the empirical facts or sensations to be the most real, and concepts, judgments, intentions, and morals are interpretations of the sensations. Each person is free to have their own interpretation and there are infinite viewpoints. So, the facts are few, and the interpretations are many. The facts are the root, and interpretations are trunks, branches, twigs, and leaves. So, from few facts, we create an infinite mental variety of interpretations and subjectivity.
By this technical definition of a ‘demon’, the modern materialist civilization is demonic. The demonic gives importance to the body and considers the mind (thought, judgment, morals) to be an interpretation of the body. The divine on the other hand gives priority to the mind and considers the body to be developed based on mental reality. Therefore, the divine society is governed by living beings at the top of the universe, and the demonic society is governed by the living beings at the bottom of the universe. Unlike the divine society where people talk about “rising upward” in the demonic society they want to “fall down”.
In the divine society, morality is the natural law and dharma is the principle on which everything is organized. In the demonic society, morality is just a subjective state and everyone is ‘free’ to conjure up their own morality and give their life some meaning and purpose but nature has no meaning and purpose. Therefore, in the demonic society, there is no agreement on right and wrong (there are as many notions of right and wrong as there are individuals) but they have complete agreement on the empirical facts. In the divine society, there are as many empirical facts as there are individuals, but there is an agreement on the moral principles.
Since the earth is within the 7th planetary system, it comes within the divine society but it is also next to the demonic society and is influenced by it. As a result, the living beings on this planet have nearly equal influences of divine and demonic natures with the divine nature dominating only slightly.
Whoever has a slightly developed mind becomes prominent in society and takes control of the society. In the demonic world, your mind and intellect don’t matter. As long as you have the physical power to control the world you are the ruler. So the divine world is ruled by mind and intellect and the demonic world is ruled by bodily power. Whoever can wrest control of the physical resources becomes the ruler of the demonic society; the most intelligent class of people become slaves to those with the greatest bodily power.November 10, 2018 at 7:57 pm #6594Ciprian BeguParticipant
As a result, the living beings on this planet have nearly equal influences of divine and demonic natures with the divine nature dominating only slightly.
This is very intriguing. Indeed, in many religious traditions there is this concept of a battle between good and evil, for the souls of humans, with angels representing virtue and light and demons representing vice and darkness. However, the image of demons that you’re showing here is apparently more subtle than the traditional figure of a blood-thirsty ghoul haunting and possessing people and continuously mocking God.
By this definition most freedom-loving individualists that are into technology, controlling and shaping nature to their own will, and confidently secular or atheistic would be classified as demons. What is then the difference between the demons in horror stories (haunting graveyards, possessing people to enjoy vices through their bodies etc) and these demons you are describing?
Also, do the demons have a functional, necessary role in the universe like the demigods (devas)? Are there demons who rule over certain concepts so that they are also represented in our bodies and minds, just like devas are?November 11, 2018 at 5:05 am #6596Ashish DalelaKeymaster
By this definition most freedom-loving individualists that are into technology, controlling and shaping nature to their own will, and confidently secular or atheistic would be classified as demons.
They are heading toward the demonic mentality but they are not demons. They don’t have the power of the demons. They are weak both in the mind and the body, but they try to make the body stronger and better by eating, exercising, muscle building, etc. so they are heading toward the lifestyle of demons but they have a weak body and hence a weak mind. We cannot compare the power of demons to the modern freedom-loving individualist as you say. Ravana was able to cut his own limbs and offer to Lord Shiva as an offering. Hiranyakasipu’s body was eaten up by termites but he did not stop these austerities. So, a strong body means they can tolerate a lot of pain. Ask your freedom-loving individualist if he can tolerate that much pain.
What is then the difference between the demons in horror stories (haunting graveyards, possessing people to enjoy vices through their bodies etc) and these demons you are describing?
These are ghosts and not demons. Ghosts don’t have a gross body and they enter the gross body of other living entities and control it from a subtle level. These are being of the upper planets. The ghosts are described as living 100 yojanas above the bhu-mandala.
Also, do the demons have a functional, necessary role in the universe like the demigods (devas)? Are there demons who rule over certain concepts so that they are also represented in our bodies and minds, just like devas are?
Demons are necessary for other demons. A less powerful demon needs a more powerful demon to help him lead a demonic life. The weak demon serves the powerful demon, and the powerful demon uses the weak demon. This is the same as demigods. If we remain preoccupied with the bodily consciousness thinking always in terms of the body and its needs then yes we will need to surrender to powerful demons and then we come under the control of demons.
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