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    Akhil Babu

    Hare Krishna Prabhu. I was rereading Mystic Universe. I have two questions. It would be really helpful if you give some clarity to these concepts.

    1. There is a confusion regarding directions in Semantic space and directions in physical space. In many places you have said that physical space is also semantic. How they are connected? Directions have meaning only in Semantic space or do they have meaning in physical space also? On earth we identify directions with the help of Sun, Polestar etc.. But how we can make sense of it when we are at a different point in space outside earth?

    2. Is Maatra Meru of Acharya Pingala’s Chandas Shastra same as Meru in Vedic Cosmology or is it just a similarity? Pascal’s triangle, Fibonacci sequence and Golden ratio are derived from Pingala’s Meru which is related to Chandas in Vedas. When we study Pythagoras he also speaks about the music of spheres and the string that connects heaven and earth. He also considered interplanetary distances in terms of musical intervals. Ila in Vedas is associated with Saraswathi and is also known as the primal word or sound from which everything expands. So does Meru of Ilavritha Varsha represent the Musical/Metrical patterns according to which everything evolves?

    Sivabalan Muthu

    @Akhil Babu, I also had similar confusion as you have. But recently when I studied “Godel’s Mistake”, I realized that this book is the foundation of all other books of Ashish. Without understanding this book we cannot fully grasp Vedic cosmology.

    So stop studying Vedic cosmology and study the Type Number Theory proposed in “Godel’s Mistake”. Ashish answered the same in your previous questions. below are the quotes:

    The perfect answers will come when we can do guna combination logic. That has been my emphasis while doing cosmology all through

    We cannot see the top four planetary systems, the bottom seven planetary systems, and the hellish planetary systems. So, unless we do the guna combination, we cannot explain why we are not seeing them. That inability to see is a fundamental issue.

    With guna combinations, we can construct every location in space as a different guna combination (which I call semantic space for lack of a better word).

    We can do guna combination logic, only when we understand the Type Number Theory. Until then all your questions on Vedic cosmology will be like a person asking doubts about integral calculus in string theory who does not even know basic addition and subtraction. I am also slowly progressing in studying and understanding the guna combination logic.

    Ashish Dalela
    1. I doubt if I have ever said that physical space is semantic. I always say the opposite that physical space is an illusion. Real distance is of three kinds: (a) conceptual distance, (b) emotional distance, and (c) relational distance. The physical distance is created by our interaction with the world. Strong interaction means proximity and weak interaction means distance.
    2. Physical space has no directions. There is no such thing as east or west in physical space. These names were used previously to designate people with a type of mentality. Western mentality means tamo-guna and Eastern mentality means sattva-guna. That was true in the past. At present, almost everyone is in tamo-guna because the East has been Westernized.
    3. You cannot go outside the earth in this life and body. You are born from the earth, and you are tied to the earth like a baby is tied to the mother through an umbilical cord. You can go for millions of years in a rocket and you will still be in the earth. Leaving the earth requires either mystic powers or eventual death and transmigration of the soul to another body.
    4. Counting is context-sensitive. You can ask: How many bags of rice? The answer is one number. Then you can ask: How many kilo of rice? The answer is a second number. Then you can ask: How many grains of rice? The answer is a third number. In this way, the same thing can be called many numbers depending on how much you zoom into the same thing.
    5. The whole universe is one thing. It is divided into parts by the consciousness zooming in. But if the consciousness zooms out, then it is just one thing. So no number is an accurate number. All these numbers are illusions created by zooming in and out. If someone is zoomed in, then the number has a limited practical utility for others zoomed in to the same extent.
    6. There is no such thing as Vedic mathematics. Some guy who had no idea about what a number is, how that number is created, and why it is considered an illusion, but found some Sanskrit text, came up with “Vedic mathematics”. It is not Vedic. It is Indian. Mathematics was created in India as a practical tool. It is used for calculation, but that calculation is not the truth.
    7. I have explained a few times that the simplest thing like arithmetic addition requires three “laws” called associative, commutative, and distributive properties. These do not apply to guna or qualities. Nature is guna. Arithmetic does not apply to guna. Then all higher levels of mathematics cannot be applied to guna. But a fascination with such things is there.
    8. Veda Vyas is describing guna and Acharya Pingala is describing numbers. So, there is no commonality between the two. Due to the Westernization of the East, people have assumed that number is science and guna is religion. So, they neglect truth and chase ignorance. Even by alternatively chasing both, the truth is not gained. It requires exclusive dedication.
    Ashish Dalela

    There are many articles on an alternative conception of logic and number, here are some recent ones:

    Three Opposites Instead of Two

    Illustration of Semantic Addition

    God and Mathematics

    It is very easy to understand guna if we can give up numbers. Taste and smell are two aspects of food. But can you separately drag the taste of the food to the left and separately drag the smell of the food to the right? Can you remove hardness of a table from the heaviness of table? There are two things, but they are one thing. Likewise there are three things and they are one thing. There are million things and they are still one thing. And it can be anything in between one and million depending on our perspective. This is reality. And number is an illusion because it says two things are just two things. It cannot be one thing and two things simultaneously. But they are two things and one thing simultaneously. Reality is contradictory to mathematics as we are taught presently.

    This alternative way of saying that one thing is many things is also logical and mathematical, but not in the same way as we are taught right now. One thing is in one place and in many places. Lord Visnu lives on one planet, and yet, He lives inside everything. If we cannot describe this, then we cannot describe everything else. But we will not be able to describe these things in current logic.

    Akhil Babu

    Ok. Thankyou very much Prabhu. That was a wrong understanding because I haven’t studied much about the type theory of numbers. I will read Godel’s mistake to build a good foundation to understand things in a better way.

    Akhil Babu

    Thankyou for sharing the articles. Yes it is important to understand the theory of numbers, logic and ontology before reading Cosmology. That will provide a more holistic understanding.

    Ashish Dalela

    You can read this post: The Illusion of Space, Time, and Motion. You will get an idea of how the illusion of physical space, time, and motion is created. If you mix the study of truth with that of illusion, then illusion will be “understood” while the truth will not be understood. This is due to the fact that “understanding” is nothing but acceptance, acceptance is based on what we have normalized by habituation, and if illusion has been normalized, then the truth will seem to be abnormal.

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