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  • #13855
    Vijay Bansal
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    Hi ashish, I came to know recently that srila prabhupada predicted the ww 3, for example:-

    Prabhupāda: So you are being cheated for the last two hundred years, not for thousands of years. So it will be finished. Within another fifty years, everything will be finished.

    Morning Walk: May 15, 1973—

    He writes in his ‘Back to Godhead’ article, April 20, 1956, titled ‘Blind Materialism’:-

    By the grace of the illusory energy of Godhead we are now engaged more and more in the dangerous type of work in this machine-age. The machine-age is the result of dangerous type of work. When we leave aside the culture of spiritualism, we are entangled in the dangerous type of work. Nobody can live for a moment without work and therefore when finer elements are made to stop working, gross materialism occupies the devil’s brain. The result is that we have now come to the age of nuclear weapons for the destruction of material civilization. By the law of nature, the nuclear weapons have been produced for crushing the result of blind-materialism.

    The peace move of different powers of the world, by the false gesture of suspending the experiments of dangerous weapons–may be very much pleasing to the comparatively weak nations–but these temporary peace-moves will prove useless by the law of material nature. When the dangerous weapons are produced, they must be utilised for annihilation of blind materialism by the plan of the Daivi Maya or the external energy of Godhead. The problem can be solved when they are taught about their spiritual identity.

    The soul-killing civilization is progressively taking to the dangerous type of work by invention of huge mechanical means. The illusory energy is creating this atmosphere for blind materialism and on the other hand she is arranging for their destruction also. Such opposite methods are called illusory energy. The human energy is thus misused for breaking the same thing which is produced by the same energy. It is something like blazing the fire and extinguish it by pouring water simultaneously–a sign of insanity or spoiling the valuable human energy meant for spiritual culture. History has been repeated so many times and many many leaders of materialism like Napoleon, Hitler and others now remain in name only without any sign of the material progress planned by them. De-Stalinisation has already begun in Russia. Nobody is enjoying the result of civilization created by atheists like Ravana, Kansa, Aurangzeb, Napoleon or Hitler. Everything is in oblivion and this teaches us the lesson that the materialistic plans of the present age will also meet with the same fate after a lapse of 50 years. Therefore blind materialism does not bring in any permanent relief in the world.

    The question is that why does he keep using this figure of 50 years? Also if we take his morning walk quotation then 1973 + 50 = 2023, so was he making a prophecy?

    Can you also tell in a little detail that are events like ww fixed to happen because I once read a story that prabhupada stopped the ww3 when he reached america. The story goes like this:-

    There was a nuclear sub stationed off the coast of America during the sixties. They were just waiting for the command to launch the missiles to get WW III going. One day they got a notice instead to come home. The war was cancelled.

    The commander of that sub later read Srila Prabhupada’s biography getting it from his grandson who had become a devotee. While reading he learned that the day he received the order to come home was the very day that Srila Prabhupada stepped foot on American soil!

    I learned this personally from the grandson while I was traveling in Russia.

    – by Dhanesvara Das

    #13859
    Ashish Dalela
    Keymaster

    I’m not an expert in these things. What Prabhupada was seeing and why he said those things, only he knows. But the general idea is that materialistic civilizations are not long-lived. In this post–Why the West Rules the World–For Now–I have discussed many civilizations of the past (including in India) which lasted anywhere between 300-400 years, averaging around 350 years. After that, they are conquered, divided, morphed. It takes that much time for a civilization to collapse completely.

    Such a time could arrive for the modern Western civilization, although it is hard to pinpoint a precise end date for it because it is hard to put a precise start date for the modern Western civilization, since it is not localized to one place unlike Chinese, Indian, Aztec/Inca, Babylonian, or other civilizations. If we count the start of the Western civilization from the beginning of Enlightenment (1685), then we are at the 337 year mark. The American empire, which is the bedrock of the Western civilization today, started around 1700, which also makes it around 320 years old.

    There is broad consensus among many Western analysts that the West is coming to an end, although nobody puts a precise date. One reason is that the West has relied so heavily on the US to lead it, that if the US collapses, then the West will collapse too. If some countries leave the US, or try to lead the West, either they will be done for by the US, or it will accelerate the US decline, or both. Hence, although most Western countries are unhappy with the US, they don’t want to be the first to leave it. But in a crisis, we can see that they don’t support it wholeheartedly.

    The US itself has put all its eggs into the same basket by pursuing bad monetary policies such that if the US dollar is dropped as the world reserve currency, then the US economy, government, and military will collapse at once. Thus, all of West depends on US leadership, and the US depends on the dollar being the world reserve currency. This combination has given the West a single point of failure.

    The US has also steadily lost friends all over the world. It has lost moral standing and respect as well. In the UN voting on Ukraine-Russia war, for example, more than half the world population representatives are not with US, despite the heavy pressure they are applying. Most of those who are voting with them are also not mentally with them. For example, they might verbally condemn some actions, or verbally support something, but they won’t do anything beyond that. So, from a population perspective, the US has already lost the mindshare. The only thing they have now is economy, military, and government power. And all those things hinge on one factor–the US dollar being the global reserve currency. This can be a flash point of a hot war, if other countries start pairwise trading in non-US dollar currency.

    But this is not the only problem. There are many similar things on-going. For example, US competition with China has been blowing hot and cold. China has estimated that they will reach a critical point of economic and military might by 2025, and after that they will go aggressive. That aggression, however, need not be a war. It can just be bilateral changes in trade that drop the US dollar as a trading currency. Once a few such examples emerge, there will be a rapid collapse. The US can of course trigger a war to prevent such an outcome. When a world power sees that others are getting out of its control, it tries to “teach them a lesson”.

    Some astrologers have identified the time from 2020-2036 as one of global upheaval that involves plague, wars, and a financial meltdown. Two of these three have already come true, so I’m inclined to think it could be true. Due to money printing during the pandemic, there is a steady rise in inflation. It is touching between 7-10% in different places. So, the third one could come true as well. I don’t know astrology, and I’m not saying these claims are correct. I’m just citing them. However, the serious implications of this period are already being seen as markedly different from before.

    So, there appears to be a confluence of three quite separate things–(a) a historical trend of 350-400 years for the collapse of civilizations, (b) the fact that West is just one event–reserve currency change–from near total collapse and it is not going to go quietly, and (c) there are astrologers studying these things talking about plague, wars, and financial meltdown in the period between 2020 and 2036.

    Make of it, what you want to.

    #14722
    Agni Tapasvin
    Participant

    Greetings. I don’t know if anyone is still reading this forum. I will tell you my interpretation which I hope is as strict as possible as I try my best to be a sincere disciple of Srila Prabhupada.

    Note carefully, first of all, that Srila Prabhupada stated that the moon landings were fake. He also said that science in general was fake or at least flawed/limited (since modern science, medicine, technology etc. still cannot prevent death of the human being). Those sincere disciples of Srila Prabhupada (who practice maha-mantra meditation, semen retention, vegetarianism) will notice a bodily difference between their former sinful lives (consisting of lot of illicit sex, alcohol, meat-eating) and their new lives (yoga practice, cleanliness, purity, meditation). So we also know, from this basis of proof, that modern medicine is suspect. Disease/illness may actually occur due to sin (kama-krodha, excessive loss of semen/anger/lust/stress/fear/greed), and it may not be due to microscopic viral particles. Therefore COVID is suspicious. Srila Prabhupada said that Russian and American scientists were collaborating secretly to cheat the world public regarding the space programs. So from this point of view the entire Cold War (US vs. USSR) was just a PSYOP conducted by the occulted elite powers (other authors agree with this, such as redefininggod dot com, and state that East(BRICS) vs. West(NATO) conflict is just a dramatic farce- scripted – world media fake but with no basis in reality since elites puppeteer both sides, like a puppet show). Similarly also with the world COVID propaganda that has a built-in “controlled opposition”. COVID probably doesn’t even exist to begin with, but there is an undercurrent of controlled opposition in the alternative media that assumes the virus is real but that the vaccines are purposely bad, the lockdown response had bad economic consequences, etc., etc. Some of this controlled opposition is associated with Christian groups who say that “the vaccines is mark of beast/devil/Satanic/666” or whatever. But from Hindu point of view there is no Satan, evil has a nondual basis (Srila Prabhupada speaks of karma, duality vs. nonduality, and shadow) and there is only Krsna who is attained through yogic practice, yogic knowledge – a pure devotee must be strictly free from sin like lust, desire for meat/alcohol, pride, etc.

    Anyway noting the points about Russia being just a “controlled” opposition (secretly collaborating with US elites – US elites and Russian elites are actually same, both are Chabad/Israeli/Jewish/neocon types, read history of what happened post-1917 Russian Revolution with Bolsheviks and post-WW2). And noting that COVID is also a PSYOP like Cold War. (Complicated propaganda trick, mass media lie on world population). We have some important clues in the collapse date.

    I would not trust any source other than what Srila Prabhupada said directly, and then after that, your own purified Sattvic correct intelligence gathered from personal experience (like yoga practice) and reading about history/trying to unravel different strands of propaganda very intelligently and dispassionately that would otherwise dialectically manipulate your heart/mind.

    1956 Back to Godhead article says “after a lapse of fifty years”. This means collapse anytime after 2006.

    May 15 1973 Morning Walk comment says “within another fifty years”. Taken literally this means anytime before May 15 2023. (English definition of “within” means before a period of time has elapsed, generally assumed to be from now or from when statement was made).

    Srila Prabhupada also said very clearly that the whole world would be finished due to atomic war between US and Russia. “America has got atom bomb and Russia has got atom bomb. As soon as there is another war, whole world will be finished. So this is the ajnana” Keeping in mind he also knew the moon landings were fake and he knew Russian/US scientific elites were controlled opposition secretly collaborating to cheat public. Also guru is not to be treated like ordinary man. Guru is to be taken as pure devotee and of course, pure devotee who directly knows Krsna must have siddhas like complete freedom from sin, tri-kala-jnana, etc., etc.

    Given the current (Oct 2022) threat of nuclear war in the world mass media and given the threats of economic collapse I’d say we haven’t got much time left at all. If you take the 1973 statement literally, “it” has to happen before May 15 2023. More information may also be given from the controlled opposition Christian/Abrahamic/Jewish/Freemason dialectic propaganda regarding “NWO” (New World Order). Either way collapse of USD would mean total game over, everything finished, whole world over.

    In writing this I have only used Srila Prabhupad’s direct statements and my own logic which I have strived to be as careful as possible in the details.

     

     

     

    #14723
    Agni Tapasvin
    Participant

    @Vijay Bansal.

    You should know that everything in this Kali Yuga (all so-called education, even for children, all maths and sciences, and all politics and geopolitics) is ALL A BIG LIE.

    So you cannot trust anything. You cannot trust scientists, doctors, politicians, etc. It is all disinformation, limited hangout, and controlled opposition.

    Some culprits that is often attributed is the secret society of the Freemasons or Jesuits, or some anti-semites say Jews, but I am not a racist, the exact name doesn’t matter, only truth vs. lies matters. It is an international secret society of elites, which fakes things in space and which also does spiritual fakes. They create false dialectic stage plays through the use of actors on opposite sides carrying out a pre-written script when secretly they really work for same side. This is done inside the US with Democrats and Republicans. Now it is being done on the world stage with US and Russia. (e.g. one can figure out given this info that NSA Edward Snowden was just an actor working for globalist elites to create fake illusion of US vs. Russia).

    Why is the moon landing a spiritual fake and why did Srila Prabhupada give so much emphasis to it? Because according to Hinduism, the Sun and Moon (Surya and Chandra) are the right and left eyes, respectively, of the Supreme Lord (Lord Shiva, or virat-purusa form of Vishnu, Mahesvara). So they lie to children in public schools about true structure of Earth and cosmos/heavens. This also affects afterlife as well. Since when Hindus do shraadh they offer pinda-daan to pitris. These pitris are said to reside in bhuvar-loka (astral regions in between Earth and heavens, Svarga-loka) or lunar region. See Gayatri-mantra (Om Bhur Bhuvah Svaha Tat Savitur Varenyam). Bhu = Bhur = Earth, Bhuvah = astral, Svaha = Svarga-loka = heavens, Savita/Surya=Sun.

    So after death there is either heaven (up) or hell (down). But of course if Earth is spinning ball in empty space there is no such thing as up and down due to spherical symmetry. So this cannot be. All of modern science, modern astronomy, modern physics is just a post-WW2 propaganda PSYOP.

    This is what real follower of Srila Prabhupada would say.

    • This reply was modified 3 months, 2 weeks ago by Agni Tapasvin.
    #14725
    Agni Tapasvin
    Participant

    So in summary it is very important to know the context in which SP said that within fifty years everything would be finished. He was talking of the spiritual cheating of scientists whom he called “rascals” and today, science is the predominant false religion of the world, with the rich and wealthy populations of western countries being educated in science and being believers in science.

    He also specifically told us how things would be finished: US-Russia nuclear WW3 followed by economic collapse “banking, fanking, everything will collapse automatically.” He also spoke specifically of the value of gold/silver as real money (ancient cultures connected these to Sun/Moon alchemical metals).

    So if you take everything into account: fake science, fake moon landing, US-Russia controlled opposition, modern science being the current world’s dominant religion and mode of scholarship, and exactly how Prabhupad said things (science cheating) would be finished: it paints a grim picture (as of Oct 2022). Within means before, or inside of. That is very important, especially now that nuclear war is in the mass media headlines.

    #14726
    Ashish Dalela
    Keymaster

    Note carefully, first of all, that Srila Prabhupada stated that the moon landings were fake.

    Yes but not in the way you are putting it. Man did not go to the heavenly moon is for sure. But there is an “earthly moon” which is like a picture of the external apple in your mind. Going to the mental picture is not going to the real moon. It is going to a place conditioned by your vision.

    He also said that science in general was fake or at least flawed/limited (since modern science, medicine, technology etc. still cannot prevent death of the human being).

    Yes, we agree with that, but not because we cannot prevent death. Vedic science is based on qualities and modern science is based on quantities. The science of qualities also involves death, and the entire universe is temporary. Death and science are not directly correlated.

    Those sincere disciples of Srila Prabhupada (who practice maha-mantra meditation, semen retention, vegetarianism) will notice a bodily difference between their former sinful lives (consisting of lot of illicit sex, alcohol, meat-eating) and their new lives (yoga practice, cleanliness, purity, meditation).

    Semen retention is a good thing, but so is producing Krishna-conscious children. Vegetarianism is good, but not enough, in many ways. First, food must be in sattva-guna, not tamo-guna. Thereby, onion and garlic, tea and coffee, are excluded, although they are vegetarian. Second, even pigeons and chickens are vegetarian. The prescription is food offered to the Lord, not just vegetarianism. I’m not sure of bodily differences. Karma brings health and illness regardless. One counter-example disproves the rule.

    So we also know, from this basis of proof, that modern medicine is suspect. Disease/illness may actually occur due to sin (kama-krodha, excessive loss of semen/anger/lust/stress/fear/greed), and it may not be due to microscopic viral particles.

    Far-reaching and overextended claims. Illness occurs due to karma, and there are other causes. Microscopic viral particles are accepted as adibhautika causes.

    Therefore COVID is suspicious.

    False premise and hence a false conclusion.

    Srila Prabhupada said that Russian and American scientists were collaborating secretly to cheat the world public regarding the space programs.

    He did not say that. He might have said that there was a possibility, but he never asserted these things. He asserted only one thing, namely, man did not go to the heavenly moon.

    So from this point of view the entire Cold War (US vs. USSR) was just a PSYOP conducted by the occulted elite powers (other authors agree with this, such as redefininggod dot com, and state that East(BRICS) vs. West(NATO) conflict is just a dramatic farce- scripted – world media fake but with no basis in reality since elites puppeteer both sides, like a puppet show).

    False premise, and hence a false conclusion.

    Similarly also with the world COVID propaganda that has a built-in “controlled opposition”. COVID probably doesn’t even exist to begin with, but there is an undercurrent of controlled opposition in the alternative media that assumes the virus is real but that the vaccines are purposely bad, the lockdown response had bad economic consequences, etc., etc.

    False premise, and hence a false conclusion.

    Some of this controlled opposition is associated with Christian groups who say that “the vaccines is mark of beast/devil/Satanic/666” or whatever.

    It wasn’t controlled opposition. It is very much in the open. But it was during the time of the president that they had elected. And the opposition was suppressed in social media. What we can attribute to ignorance should not be attributed to malice. It’s a general principle.

    But from Hindu point of view there is no Satan,

    Yes, it is not ONE Satan. There are infinite demons living in their own planets.

    evil has a nondual basis

    There is no evil. When a child is reprimanded for its bad activities, the mother’s intention is not evil, but the child thinks the mother is evil. Evil is our interpretation of punishment. The interpretation exists but it is not true. Punishment is not evil. It is simply a bad experience.

    (Srila Prabhupada speaks of karma, duality vs. nonduality, and shadow) and there is only Krsna who is attained through yogic practice, yogic knowledge – a pure devotee must be strictly free from sin like lust, desire for meat/alcohol, pride, etc.

    A lot of things are attained by yogic practices, including good qualities, mystical powers, etc. But they are all inferior compared to the attainment of Krishna. When Krishna is attained, everything else is attained.

    I am not commenting on your other points, but I will ask you one fundamental question: Assuming all of this is true, have you renounced the world considering the impending end, like for example Parikshit Maharaja had done when he knew he was going to die in 7 days? Are you chanting 64 rounds of the Hare Krishna mantra a day to accelerate spiritual progress, assuming that things are ending quickly? Your actions have to match the words if we have to take the words seriously.

    #14727
    Agni Tapasvin
    Participant

    Yes but not in the way you are putting it. Man did not go to the heavenly moon is for sure. But there is an “earthly moon” which is like a picture of the external apple in your mind. Going to the mental picture is not going to the real moon. It is going to a place conditioned by your vision.

    I am not putting it any differently than how Srila Prabhupada put it. Man did not go to the moon, period. I am not referring to any mental picture of the moon, I am referring to the actual moon, which man never landed on, and which is *literally* the devata, Chandra, in direct contradiction to modern science. Yes I am aware that moon is the presiding demigod of the mind. For those who are not fully spiritually enlightened, and even for those who are, it does no good to make such distinctions as you are making. I am referring literally, to the actual moon.

    Yes, we agree with that, but not because we cannot prevent death. Vedic science is based on qualities and modern science is based on quantities. The science of qualities also involves death, and the entire universe is temporary. Death and science are not directly correlated.

    The primary reason modern science is useless is because it cannot prevent death, it cannot confer immortality on the living body and soul, and is therefore existentially meaningless and a waste of time. So in that sense, the mere fact that the phenomenon of death exists, blows any reason to study science out of the water, since it is all temporary and futile. (Other than of course, if you are interested in temporary personal pride and ego and worldly honor and income that comes from holding scientific degrees – but that is a different story).

    Semen retention is a good thing, but so is producing Krishna-conscious children.

    Agree with the part of producing Krishna-conscious children; however strictly speaking, semen retention should still be practiced before that act, and at all other times. Any waste of semen even that Ojas-Sakti or Tejas-Sakti that leaks out from the inner mental or astral cores of the body is technically illicit sex. A pure Brahmacari who does not waste any semen in his life goes directly to the Satyaloka realm. Of course householders/grhasthas will never be that strict. And it’s completely impossible to be that strict in our current permissible, promiscuous modern feminist society where women walk the city streets practically half-naked.

    Vegetarianism is good, but not enough, in many ways. First, food must be in sattva-guna, not tamo-guna. Thereby, onion and garlic, tea and coffee, are excluded, although they are vegetarian. Second, even pigeons and chickens are vegetarian. The prescription is food offered to the Lord, not just vegetarianism. I’m not sure of bodily differences. Karma brings health and illness regardless. One counter-example disproves the rule

    Sure, I agree that the primary criterion is food has to be Krishna-prasadam. I agree with exclusion of onion/garlic and tea/coffee. However I will not even bother to debate with you the fact that pigeons and chickens are vegetarian as this is patently absurd. Also it is a fact that bodily differences, health, illness, and karma take diet into account. When I say bodily differences I am talking about inner yogic direct experience. So what I said about “the pandemic” (which doesn’t exist) is not at all a false premise. It follows directly logically. A Brahmacari will have a totally different inner experience from practice of Urdhvareta-Yoga.

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    Srila Prabhupada said that Russian and American scientists were collaborating secretly to cheat the world public regarding the space programs.

    He did not say that. He might have said that there was a possibility, but he never asserted these things. He asserted only one thing, namely, man did not go to the heavenly moon.

    But he did. He said exactly that. Here is a direct quote:

    “<span class=”s1”><i>Problem is, at the present moment, they have exhausted all their intellect. Now they are finding out how to bluff the people and maintain themselves. That is their problem. Yes. Yes. The people have lost faith in science because they have not produced anything. That is the problem. Because they have cheated people for so many years and drawn high salaries, now they are finding out “How to cheat these rascals and continue our business?” That is the problem. Because they have nothing to research. Everything, whatever, are finished. And all failure. Simply big, big words, that’s all. Word jugglery, that’s all. They could not do anything…What exactly they have done, something which is not done by God? They competition with God, so what they have done? What is their contribution? … Moon landing, that is another bluff. You see? And these rascals are believing them. Yes. Simply propaganda. They are not going. Now the Russian scientist and American scientist are combined. Because both of them thieves, so one thief is asking “Don’t expose me; I will not expose you, so that our business will go on.” This is the way. “Let us combine together and cheat these rascals, and otherwise, if you expose me, then I will expose you. They our business will stop.” …They are cooperating [devotee]. SP: Cooperating, thief’s, thief’s cooperation.”</i></span>

    So all subsequent points I made still have a correct premise.

    It wasn’t controlled opposition. It is very much in the open. But it was during the time of the president that they had elected. And the opposition was suppressed in social media.

    Quote honestly the fact that you are afraid of calling this controlled opposition, makes me suspicious that you yourself are a controlled opposition. It is very easy for these elites to astroturf social media with shills and bots spouting off some narrative. It happens all the time on Reddit, Twitter, etc. They can create multiple fake accounts pretending to be real people with the push of a button. Deepfakes are common, so are machine learning algorithms to fake images (see for example, thispersondoesnotexist dot com).

    What we can attribute to ignorance should not be attributed to malice. It’s a general principle

    Maybe, but general principles may sometimes need to be violated. The only thing that matters is whether something is actually ignorant or actually malicious (i.e. the truth). Conspiracies definitely exist – the historical record shows this – and it is naive to have attribution bias towards ignorance only.

    Yes, it is not ONE Satan. There are infinite demons living in their own planets.

    Agreed. My point was that there is no single dualistic origin/pole for evil like the Christians call their Satan. No major difference between mine and your description of the problem of evil – I agree it is nondualistic or, from pure devotee’s point of view, it doesn’t exist (but then again who in this world is a pure devotee?)

    I am not commenting on your other points, but I will ask you one fundamental question: Assuming all of this is true, have you renounced the world considering the impending end, like for example Parikshit Maharaja had done when he knew he was going to die in 7 days? Are you chanting 64 rounds of the Hare Krishna mantra a day to accelerate spiritual progress, assuming that things are ending quickly? Your actions have to match the words if we have to take the words seriously.

    I have mentally renounced as much as I am able to, and I have physically renounced all that is not strictly necessary for my maintenance. It is a fact that everyone is going to die, maybe not in 7 days, but even, what is a few decades compared to all of eternity? I chant the mahamantra as much as possible. Maybe not strictly 64 rounds, but as much as I am able to. I am not a pure devotee, and I do not claim to be. Very few people can claim to be totally free of sin both inside and out. I accept that I have worldly desires, and I have faith that Krishna will satisfy them properly over time, whether in this life, or the next. I believe in destiny and fate. I don’t believe in statistics and so-called experts. I haven’t got to do anything, I haven’t got to lift a finger. All I have to do is wait for this horrific, sinful, and ignorant world to be completely consumed by fire.

    Hare Krishna.

    #14728
    Agni Tapasvin
    Participant

    Also, in a practical sense, evil still very much exists. Sin still exists for the common man who is immersed in maya. Otherwise why would these pure devotees bother to come down and preach to idiots like us? They could have easily attained some higher realm like Satyaloka, Vaikuntha, Pari-Nibbana in the case of the Buddha and they could have stopped caring after that.

    That’s why Bodhisattvas exist. The definition of a Bodhisattva is someone who has purposefully delayed becoming a full Buddha, achieving full enlightenment, out of compassion to help fallen souls. Because otherwise they would have (personally, from their perspective) been in “pure devotee” mode where evil doesn’t exist. It is not easy to get to that stage and takes a lot of tapasya. So they must be very compassionate to come down from the purest and highest heavens, in order to preach to ordinary idiots and karmis interested in money, sex, ego, meat, and alcohol.

    I do not believe in the idea that evil practically does not exist. Practically speaking, evil/sin is very real. Srila Prabhupada specifically railed against the Mayavadi fallacy. He said that you can never think you are God – free and unconditioned. Every normal person is subject to disease, sin, stress, and death. The only way of overcoming these is to change your karmas to obey laws of nature and surrender to God by chanting mahamantra. As I said, these have very real inner implications on the mind-body complex at the core of which resides God, Krishna. Know things as they really are.

    #14729
    Agni Tapasvin
    Participant

    Another implication of understanding things as they really are, is that almost any sort of charity is misguided, useless, or based on false pride, and that an individual’s worldly situation is solely up to an individual’s own karma (the exact nature of the contamination of the personal relationship with their soul and the most pure and high God). So it leads to the most correct but still the most blackpilled vision of reality. It really is every man for himself out there. Would you give up all your Western income and wealth and donate it to some poor child in Africa? The answer is obviously, no. Maybe a small percentage of it, just to make yourself feel good, hardly enough to make a practical difference, It’d probably end up going to some shady NGO to enrich their Western employees, or to some cruel warlord.

    Karma and destiny means that one can only get what they are destined to, materially. Srila Prabhupada spoke of this as well. The world is run by presiding demigods (can be demons as they are still in the material world) who dispense karmas via the planets and stars. Everyone is being punished or rewarded based on karma in past lives and this is very hard to see directly the exact causes and effects.

    So the elites are fully aware of these spiritual truths. They are not ignorant at all. There is a reason they are elites – because they are experts at cheating people. At this stage in human history, the world is run entirely through propaganda and mind control. People think they are powerful on their own strength, but they are slaves of karma and destiny, they are slaves of maya, which is ultimately controlled by Krishna. No one genuinely cares about anyone else, everyone is using one another whether they consciously know it or not, if not for sex, then for ego/pride. No one can help one another and all are sinful, all are in illusion. There have been no major advances in science and medicine, quite the contrary.

    Only strict Brahmacharya can contra-indicate these things and give true knowledge, but of course the elites have made that very difficult in modern society due to their disgusting propaganda. Who would want to have children in this sick and disgusting society? It is one thing to claim to be Krishna-conscious it is another to actually be. If people are not aware of the most basic spiritual truths, and if they are so easily cheated…it is better that everything perishes in hellfire and all the useless eaters are cleansed from the Earth. Though “depopulation” is probably one of those controlled-opposition conspiracy theories spread by the elite themselves, I can’t help but agree fully.

    No doubt the elites have some further plans for mind-control in a post-collapse environment, but with hope, all the controlled opposition will spill into pure opposition. With hope, there will be total chaos and anarchy everywhere following USD collapse. Thereby the entire Earth will be purified, and all the science, all the propaganda, all the lies will be revealed for what they really are, just urine in the empty wind.

     

    #14732
    Agni Tapasvin
    Participant

    @Ashish Dalela I read your profile, apparently you’re a scientist. If so, are you ready for your entire set of false merits (duskrtina) to be completely smashed? It will happen, whether you like it or not. So also, with your death. When the occulted elite trigger WW3 and try to implement their new false religions and mind-control scams, which are nothing but multi-tiered PSYOPS, nothing will matter anymore. Especially not after USD death.

    Hahahahaa there is just the moon. Not a mental moon. Just the actual moon, Chandra. That fake astronauts haven’t landed on. Gravity also, is not real. It is a question of the adjustment of the air, Vayu-devata. There is no International Space Station (ISS). Just a water tank in a Hollywood studio.

    The Sun, The Surya-Narayana, is the right eye of the Supreme Lord and is not fixed in space; the motion of its chariot determines the months and the seasons. The Bhagavad Gita speaks of the Daksinayana/Pitriyana and the Uttarayana. The path these demigods take determines the path the yogi is free to take after death.

    Do you think anyone is going around producing Krishna-conscious children in the modern day and age? Do you think anyone sincerely practices true yoga and Brahmacharya? You have got to be kidding me. The world’s ignorant, unwashed masses will have unclean sex and defecate out retarded and impaired children. The earth will be overpopulated by people that shouldn’t exist, don’t deserve to exist according to the laws of nature, and eventually the laws of nature will smash them all in a massive war and depopulation event. They will be severely punished for crimes they don’t even know they are committing. They will not be able to even see past their own stupidity and limitations.

    There is no pandemic. The pure Brahmacari, pure vegetarian, and pure japa-yogin knows this especially quite well. They live in an internal heaven but experience external hell. They will be glad when the final fire comes to cleanse the whole world of its impurities and lies. The “pandemic” is just a multi-tiered controlled-opposition PSYOP like so many other things. The elites can manufacture controlled opposition and dialectic manipulation for issues with a push of a button – they can even manufacture controlled opposition to controlled opposition. The mixed nature of the truth and the lies, the fractal dimensions of it all, will be maddening to the lazy ignorant fool of impure heart with no intellect to learn the pure truth. The intellect resides in the cave of the heart and the japa-yogin knows this well.

    It is quite hilarious to the yogi who sees the undercurrents of karma and maya and who knows exactly what is going on. And yet, you claim “evil doesn’t exist!” Try telling that to Durga Ma as she pierces Mahashisasura with Her trident. The same illusory energy that lead to the rise of all these false philosophies and false set of merits, will also cause their downfall. Just like SP said in his 1956 BTG article. Mahamaya ki Jai, and then and only then, Sri Krishna ki Jai.

     

     

     

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    #14734
    Sivabalan Muthu
    Participant

    @Agni Tapasvin, Rsiraj Prabhu (Ashish Dalela) is a self-realized soul. Please try to carefully study his books. You don’t know anything regarding Vedic cosmology because you don’t know the mind-body problem and Sankhya philosophy. Ashish Dalela is not arguing with you, He is mercifully trying to elevate you from ignorance and false ego. Ashish Dalela did not reply to you because all your arguments against him are stupid and even neophyte like me can see false ego in all your replies.

    Prabhupada did not say what you are saying. Your context and Prabhupada’s context are different. From that paragraph, Prabhupada is just saying that Russian thieves and American thieves are combined in not exposing one another, not that they were working together for an agenda what you are talking about. Prabhupada on many other occasions had said that communist and capitalist are two different kinds of demons fighting against each other. In that context, they are not working together. Even I am not eligible to say all this. All you can do is humbly ask Ashish Dalela, if the above premise is wrong, then what is the correct premise and conclusion?

    #14736
    Ashish Dalela
    Keymaster

    This is the season for abuses. It comes and goes like the winter and summer seasons. Respect and insult are only of the body. Life and death are also only of the body. The yogi learns to tolerate both. At least this is what my Lord says. If He is subjecting me to these, then He knows better. Who am I to question His judgment? He has His own plans, and I just hold His finger to follow Him.

    Evil doesn’t exist, because everything is happening by the will of the Lord. Those who slap me are doing so only by the approval of the Lord. If one person doesn’t slap, then another one will. The Lord’s approval is not what he wants. But He approves. Just like a disciple goes to a guru and says: “I want to marry, do you approve?” He is not asking if he should marry or not. He is demanding an approval. So, the guru says: “Alright, you can get married”. That is not wanting. It is approving. God’s will is also in three parts: Wanting, needing, and willing. Just like you want to eat food, you need to eat food, and you are willing to eat food. If you go to someone’s house, and they say: “You have to eat” and you say “Okay”. That is not wanting or needing to eat. It is just willingness to eat.

    Even this approval is only for our purification. The mundane understanding of karma is that I have done bad things so I have to suffer. But the proper understanding is that I have a bad mentality but my Lord wants to embrace me, so He is subjecting me to these things so that I will want to embrace Him. When I’m punished again and again, then I will realize how futile this world is. Then I will want to embrace the Lord. So, the Lord is already eager, but I am not eager. Out of eagerness of His love, and impatience for me, He is sending all these things so that I can change my mentality.

    Therefore, I don’t accept any evil. There is a lenghty discussion in Sankhya Sutra on this topic. Lord Kapila discusses extensively why the world is not evil. It just seems evil to one who is not interested in the Lord, and only interested in material enjoyment. Of course, if we say all these things to everyone, then they will get confused. So, we also talk about good and evil, but it is an illusion.

    That good is simply material enjoyment and evil is simply material suffering. But if we become interested in Krishna, then good is an opportunity to serve Krishna and evil is a hindrance or humiliation in serving Krishna. That hindrance or humiliation increases our feeling of separation from Krishna and intensifies our desire. Just like when I went to college, there used to be a lot of ragging. I was beaten and abused, and so on. In that mental state, I remembered my mother’s lap. How I could comfortably hide in her lap as if I was a small child, and nobody will beat me. Like that, suffering and humiliation are there to intensify our desire for the mother. It is getting ragged and remembering the mother. If I’m happy, then I don’t remember. But if I’m suffering, then I remember even more.

    Hence, Krishna says four kinds of people come to me: suffering, greedy, inquisitive, and knowledgeable. That is a ladder. In this ladder, we first get desire for Krishna due to suffering. Then we get some material wealth by which to serve Krishna. Then we become deeply inquisitive about “What is Krishna?” And then by progressive intensification, we understand Krishna. So, the more the ragging, the greater the intensity of the desire for Krishna. Hence, ragging is a good thing.

    The same thing can be described in many ways, but one description is incorrect and another description is correct. For example, in the blind men and elephant example, the blind man touches the leg and says “it is a cylinder”. But it is not a cylinder. It is a leg. But for those who cannot see fully, it is a cylinder. And sometimes, even those who can see, will say: “Yes, yes, it is a cylinder”. That’s because they are talking to the people who cannot see. So, they have to use their language. Otherwise, if they say “it is a leg”, then they have to explain so much more about the other parts of the elephant which the blind man cannot see, and he will say: “What is the evidence that the other parts exist?” or “You simply make a lot of unprovable claims whimsically”. So, sometimes those who can see will say “Yes, yes, it is a cylinder”. And if someone is inquisitive, then they will say “It is a leg”. Their agreement on cylinder is just an approval. It is not what they want. But what can they do if someone doesn’t know the whole truth, and wants to categorize the partial truth according to their ideology? This is why we should spend our time serving the guru. Then we can understand the whole truth. Then both statements will be understood, and which one is better will be known.

    There is a general misunderstanding among most people that “words have only one meaning”. So, by analyzing the linguistic structure, and consulting the dictionary, we can know the meaning. This is the materialistic objectification of meaning. It is false. Just like someone can abuse me, and I can get emotional, and say “you are right, everything you say is true”. That is not agreement. But in the emotional state, I am not able to respond properly. So I am just agreeing to end the conversation. So like that we have to know the emotional state then we can know what the person is saying. This grammar and word analysis is for those who are totally disinterested in the person. But this is what is going on everywhere. Linguistic analysis without understanding the emotional state.

    Anyway, there is no harm even if we quote Prabhupada without fully understanding him. It is a start. Everything has to begin somewhere. So I don’t like to criticize anyone who quotes Prabhupada. He is my father and he is your father. So, why should we fight with each other? In that mood, I don’t want to argue. But there is a better understanding of the father also, if someone is interested.

    #14737
    Ankita Pandey
    Participant

    Hare Krishna Rsiraj prabhuji

    Your this response has touched the niche of my heart. Seriously you are the one who understands the mood of Prabhupada.

    #14738
    Agni Tapasvin
    Participant

    @Agni Tapasvin, Rsiraj Prabhu (Ashish Dalela) is a self-realized soul. Please try to carefully study his books. You don’t know anything regarding Vedic cosmology because you don’t know the mind-body problem and Sankhya philosophy. Ashish Dalela is not arguing with you, He is mercifully trying to elevate you from ignorance and false ego. Ashish Dalela did not reply to you because all your arguments against him are stupid and even neophyte like me can see false ego in all your replies.

    Lol, No. He’s not a self-realised anything. I have looked at his books. They’re full of contaminated crap of “mental models” and “projection space reality” and all other such nonsense, trying to contaminate what Srila Prabhupada has said plainly and directly about the faked moon landing. You are the ones who are ignorant, and ego doesn’t even matter in this analysis because you are simply, factually, objectively incorrect. There is no bridging the gap between Vedic knowledge and modern science, because it is simply impossible, as a modern science is a complete lie and Srila Prabhupada said as much, multiple times.

    Prabhupada did not say what you are saying. Your context and Prabhupada’s context are different. From that paragraph, Prabhupada is just saying that Russian thieves and American thieves are combined in not exposing one another, not that they were working together for an agenda what you are talking about. Prabhupada on many other occasions had said that communist and capitalist are two different kinds of demons fighting against each other. In that context, they are not working together. Even I am not eligible to say all this. All you can do is humbly ask Ashish Dalela, if the above premise is wrong, then what is the correct premise and conclusion?

    I have caught you deceivers in a direct lie. That’s all there is to it.

     

    #14739
    Ashish Dalela
    Keymaster

    I have caught you deceivers in a direct lie. That’s all there is to it.

    Yes I accept it. I’m an ignorant fool. And you are enlightened. Now please leave us alone.

    It is not difficult for me to delete all your responses and block you permanently. But I’m apologizing, begging, and requesting you to leave us alone. You have made your point, and I accept it.

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