August 27, 2023 at 1:08 pm #15605Thomas A. AndersonParticipant
Dear Ashish Dalela Prabhu
under your recommendation i have read your excellent articles titled – why AI is deficient and yet it seams very powerfull- artificial intelligence and the death of free market. both articles offer a deep and detailed analysis of the subjects of AI and society in your first article you argue that materialistic standardization of humanity is the basis for further AI developments driving the society’s of the future as you encourage us to do self-study and have critical thinking and as you teach us that there are infinitely many truths depends of your individual and perspective and knowledge it appears to me that standardization is per se not a bad thing if we consider that the spiritual teachings and perspective for humanity also involvs standardizations as a devotees we are also kind of standardized we try to follow on 4 regulative principles we try to chant the Hare Krishna maha mantra we try to read and understand the same books we are expected to have specific and general vaisnava qualities we are expected to have a specific kind of talks so in some sense also we the people who try to advance and understand and practice spiritual goal of life are highly standardized in some way how to reconcile this two facts !? there is a materialistic standardization of the siciety/humanity in order to advance the materialistic agenda and there is a spiritual standardization of society/humanity in order to advance the spiritual agenda further how to understand the fact that materialistic agenda on AI has a perespective that AI systems may become to powefull and “destroy the less intelligent humanity” !? in your article with excellent analysis on the issues how AI is destroying free markets model and the superb and detail rich arguments you make there you end the article with the chapter ‘Philosophic implications’ where you try to reconcile the basic duallities at the core of the material world “Unless we understand how this world is dualistic, we cannot understand how the non-dualistic world is better, and why we should seek it. The discussion of this dualistic reality, the illustration of its problems, and the cause of those problems is also a useful topic if it illuminates the problems, detaches us from this world, impels us toward the search for another kind of reality, and explains both realities perfectly.” so my question would be is there any model where the AI systems and development could be beneficial to humanity in terms of its goals for spiritual path and advancements like Srila Bhaktisidantha and Srila Prabhupada statements that material things can be used in Sri Krsna service and so become spiritual – like you are using materialistic machines like computers and internet in order to reach and teach and preach spiritual knowledge and goals of life – which is benefitial to the individual and society as wholle like whats the difference of reading your books on paper vs computer screen or so to say i may have never heard of you and your writings if you would not angage your self with the potential audiance on the internet – so for me the computers and the internet are kind spiritually beneficial as i can learn about and from you – as you are using a technology which can be used for all possible potentially horrible materialistic agendas and issues for a spiritual purporse of selflesly spreading and teaching the eternal spiritual truths and knowledge those are humble and respectfull comments and questions not a challenge for what you wrote in your AI articles on which arguments and analysis i agree so is there any way to disolve the duality that “AI or technology like internet is bad at its core and main premise” by finding a way to engage it in Sri Krsnas service and so make it beneficial as well for spiritual advancement of the individual and the society and humanity as wholle !?
thank you very much for considering to reply to the question how to desolve the appearing duality of technology used to advance the materialistic agenda and the same technology used to advance a spiritual agenda thank you very much
ys.thomasAugust 27, 2023 at 4:40 pm #15606Ashish DalelaKeymaster
A child in nursery has fixed school timings. A person doing post-doc doesn’t have fixed school timings. A child in nursery has fixed set of books. But a person doing post-doc doesn’t have a fixed set of books. A child in nursery is asked not to play with guns. But an adult trained in warfare is required to carry guns. A child in nursery is asked to not play with fire. But a grown-up becomes a fire fighter. You cannot understand this simple thing? Or you cannot accept that you are a child in the spiritual journey?
Everything can be used in Krishna’s service, including technology. Those who are not trapped by that use are encouraged to engage and those who are trapped by that use are encouraged to disengage. There isn’t a universal rule for anything. I keep saying this over and over and you keep converting everything into a universal statement.
You are arguing just a like a child–if the policeman can have a gun, why can’t I have a gun? If the post-doc doesn’t attend classes then why do I have to attend classes? The simple answer is that you are a child in the spiritual journey. You can throw tantrums and play with fire. It will be your risk and your loss. My job ends at warning.August 27, 2023 at 5:16 pm #15607Thomas A. AndersonParticipant
i am sorry ashish prabhu for being like a child who does not understand grown up issues and sometimes has the same question again or being not happy with or understand some answers given
yes you are right i am a child on the spiritual journey and i am sorry for having caused some discomfort by some nasty questions and not perfect understanding of some answers given
actually i am afraid now to ask any question or comment anything in order to understand anything and should refrein from that sorry for causing some discomfort with my questions and non-understanding of issues at hand
ys.thomasAugust 27, 2023 at 6:28 pm #15608Ashish DalelaKeymaster
You started by asking about building an AI tool for Vedic knowledge and I explained simply to you that technology operates on universalism and spirituality operates on personalism. There are no universal answers because a child is forbidden to play with fire but a fire fighter is not. You don’t like this answer. You will like to build an AI tool. You have predetermined the answer and you are asking my opinion about it.
Your simple-minded equivalence between Krishna Consciousness and AI ignored to ask a question: What is the terminal state after the fact? In the AI terminal state, you will be controlled by AI. In the Krishna Consciousness terminal state, you will control God. God is offering Himself to be controlled. But you want to play with AI toys.
We don’t decide how God is served. It is decided by pure devotees. They have left instructions that remain unfulfilled. But instead of fulfilling them, everyone wants to create his own scheme and call it service to God. Does God have any right to decide how He has to be served? Or you are planning on making all the decisions?
You don’t want to read the books. You want me to make an AI tool for you. Having written the books that you don’t want to read, I should now make an AI tool for you so that you don’t have to read. My humble request is to please leave me alone.
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