Massive space structures, pictorial depth and constellations

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    A recent article on Big Think (Is the universe controlled by gigantic structures?) quotes research in cosmology that, seen through the lens of your explanations in Mystic Universe and the semantic theory of matter, could make more sense than under current assumptions. My question is if that is the case or it is just a misjudgment on my part.
    The gist of the article (quote):

    • New findings in astronomy are making some astronomers doubt our basic model of the universe.
    • Alignments of celestial objects suggest that they may be embedded in large-scale structures.
    • Galaxies too far apart to be influencing each other are moving through space together”
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    Astronomer Joon Hyeop Lee of the Korea Astronomy and Space Institute is the lead author of “Mysterious Coherence in Several-megaparsec Scales between Galaxy Rotation and Neighbor Motion,” published in October of this year in Astrophysical Journal. Comparing data from two catalogs of redshift survey data — the Calar Alto Legacy Integral Field Area (CALIFA) and NASA-Sloan Atlas (NSA) catalogs — the researchers’ analysis of 445 galaxies revealed, surprisingly, that galaxies six meparsecs, or 20 million light years, apart were moving in the same way. Those observed, for example, a galaxy moving toward the Earth was mirrored by other distant galaxies moving in the same direction.
    “This discovery is quite new and unexpected,” according to Lee, “I have never seen any previous report of observations or any prediction from numerical simulations, exactly related to this phenomenon.”
    Since the galaxies are too distant for their gravitational fields to be influencing each other, Lee poses another explanation: That the linked galaxies are both embedded within the same, large-scale structure.
    In Chapter 5 of your book Mystic Universe (subsection: “The Existence of Galaxies”) you delve into the issue of the perception of space structures as defined in modern cosmology (galaxies, galactic clusters, supernovae etc), highlighting the fact that these models of the universe are drawn under the current assumptions of the laws of physics (e.g. about the “speed of light”) and using convoluted methods of measurement like the Inverse Square Law, which has its own issues. In the Vedic cosmology model what is perceived as real depth is considered “pictorial depth”, or the illusion of depth created by varying degrees of darkness, light and various shades in between, such as in the drawing of an ear on a piece of paper. The paper is flat but the drawing appears 3D, with the darker parts seeming farther away than the lighter parts. If we do not consider this illusion we would interpret the dark parts of the drawing as being further away from us than the lighter parts. In fact, they are all part of the same picture, and, I guess, in the same plane (?).
    In the book there is also the idea that the constellations making up the sky (the 27 Nakshatra) should be seen as distinct pictures that carry meanings and everything within the constellation is semantically related, with the main “star” as the origin of that semantic space. So, within the region of one Nakshatra, the objects that are being seen are semantically related as details of the main meaning represented by the main “star”. This would mean that two objects in two different “corners” of the constellation (which, according to current cosmological models could be “light years away” or “parts of different galaxies” are, in fact, part of the same picture and could in principle move in unison, as the whole picture moves.
    Does this make sense to you? I’m venturing to ask this because in the book you also give alternative explanations to the issues of “dark matter” and “dark energy”, and I was wondering whether these coordinated movements of space objects across large swatchs of space might be a prediction that the Vedic cosmological theory would make.
     

    #11395

    In the book Time and Consciousness, this topic is dealt quite extensively. Specifically, gravity and the other three atomic forces are described as being of very different nature. We can think of the particles studied in subatomic physics as words, and the gravity as the grammar, that structures these words into sentences. Words and grammar cannot be reconciled in a single theory, which can be used to understand why atomic theory and gravitational theory can never be put into a single theory. To think of them as part of nature, we have to think in terms of language.
    As regards the coordinated movement, the entire universe is moving in a coordinated fashion, because it is just like a single organism. The different parts of the universe are not independent. Once we understand that there is a single organism, then we can understand who is the “soul” of this organism, which controls this organism, just like the soul controls ordinary bodies.
    In between the structure and the soul is a third level of material reality which we can call “purpose”. This purpose can be used to explain the evolution of the structure. For example, if someone is walking, then the observation is that the bodily structure is changing. By that we can say that there is a single organism. But why is it walking instead of running or sleeping? To explain that we must say that the body is headed toward a destination, and that requires a purpose. This purpose determines the evolution of the whole organism, and that evolution of the whole organism determines the evolution of the parts. We can also understand this in terms of the words/setences in a text if we say that the universe at a given moment is just like a book, but that book evolves over time. So, the organism description is more advanced than the book. But unless we understand the book analogy we cannot understand the organism properly.
    So, if we change our ideas of gross matter, and treat them as symbols, then we will get three kinds of causes — (1) symbols or matter, (2) organismic structures with functional parts, and (3) a purpose due to which this organism behaves. Once we realize that there is a purposeful organism, then there is no scope for materialism. These are discussed in Time and Consciousness.
    This organism of the universe is called the Virata Purusha or the “Cosmic Man”. Those who cannot meditate on the form of the Lord, are recommended to meditate on this Virata Purusha. The reason is that even this universe is working by the will of the Lord. So, by stuying the cosmic organism, one can advance in their ability to understand the nature of Supreme Person.
    It will take modern science a very, very long time to come to these conclusions. Every small discovery they make, they get excited like children finding a new toy. Then some children fight with other children over who will play with that toy. And each child wants to do something different with that toy. So, the grown up adults should not be overwhelmed by such things.

    #11398

    Thank you.
    This is such a suggestive image, perfectly encompassing the attitude behind the grave, serious and sophisticated tone of modern science:
    “Every small discovery they make, they get excited like children finding a new toy. Then some children fight with other children over who will play with that toy. And each child wants to do something different with that toy. So, the grown up adults should not be overwhelmed by such things.”

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